Paying down that mound of student loans
A reader of my site sent me a private message describing an intimidating financial situation that she found herself in. After attending an expensive out-of-state college and starting grad school, she has found herself with $140,000 in student loans. Let me just say this: if your parents paid for your education, call them today and thank them.
I called her while driving back home from a business trip to talk it over. In this post I'll describe to you some of the specifics of her situation, some options that she was considering, the advice that I gave her, and the numbers that I crunched when I got back home, and my final conclusion.
Specifics:
Current sum of balances: $140,000
Current interest rate: varies; different loans have different rates ranging from 4.5% to 7.5%
Current salary: $60,000
Current credit: So-so, but her father has good credit and is willing to co-sign
Current living expenses: limited, as she is living with her grandmother
Options she was considering:
#1 - Buying a house and consolidating the student loan debt into the mortgage:
Her father suggested doing this, but she wasn't sure about her options. I can't say that this is not necessarily bad advice, but it really isn't an option. Here's why:
Depending on your situation, down payment, and credit score, mortgage lenders may be willing to give you some extra cash to help with certain expenses, like necessary repairs or closing costs. However, they're very careful about not giving you too much money, as they don't want the balance of the mortgage to exceed the value of the home because the home is used as collateral.
Mortgages tend to have lower interest rates than personal loans, credit cards, and student loan consolidations. That's because they present less risk to the lender because the loan is secured with an actual house. If you don't pay your loan back, the bank can seize and sell your home. The same goes for car loans. On the other hand, if you fail to repay your student loan or a personal loan, sure, the bank can destroy your credit, but they're S-O-L when it comes to getting their money back.
If my reader were to roll her student loans in with her mortgage, the balance on the mortgage would be $140,000 more than the cost of the home, less the down payment. So unless she was putting at least $140,000 down on the house, the bank would be "upside down" on her loan -- meaning they were owed a lot more than the collateral was worth. Banks don't like to be upside down, so her request would likely be denied.
On a side note, this type of lending and borrowing was a root cause of the recent economic downturn. People bought homes and assumed that, because of the housing bubble, the value of their homes would skyrocket and they would have incredible amounts of equity. Let's say I bought a house for $200,000 with no down payment. At first glance, I would have zero equity. But if after a couple of months the house was assessed at $300,000, my equity would be $100,000 and my bank would potentially loan me up to that amount in a home equity loan. This happened often and sounded great to everybody. But as home values eventually declined, all of that false equity diminished. All of the sudden, people that exercised these types of loans owed $300,000 on a home that was now only worth $175,000...but I digress.
#2 - Consolidating her private loans
My friend has a combination of federal and private student loans. Her federal loans are already consolidated at 4.5% -- a rate I wouldn't part with for the world. Her private loans (which I assume are the majority, given the high sum of her balances) have interest rates which vary from 6.5 to 7.5 percent.
This morning I looked into the cost of consolidating private loans. Turns out, it's more expensive than I had imagined. According to studentloanconsolidator.com, consolidating your private student loans will give you a variable interest rate from 7.9 to 11.93 percent and smack you with a one-time consolidation fee of 1-5%. I've got to say, that's pretty expensive! Of course, there are other options out there, but the consolidation of private student loans are very very expensive, especially considering my reader's current 6.5 to 7.5 percent interest rate.
The advice that I gave her on the phone:
When we spoke, I was in the car and didn't have time to research the total cost of paying back her loans or her consolidation options. I told her that consolidating her loans with a mortgage were simply not an option because she wouldn't have enough equity in the home. I told her to continue living with her grandmother as long as she could stand it and keep sending extra money to her lenders. I told her to start keeping track of her money -- how much she has, where it goes, etc, by using my favorite site on earth, mint.com. Finally, I told her to save a couple of months' pay in an emergency fund.
The numbers I crunched this morning:
Assuming a $140,000 principal balance, a 20-year payback period (common when it comes to loans), and an average rate of 7%, her regular monthly payments are probably somewhere around $1,085 per month. If I knew what her actual monthly payments were, I could be more certain about her average interest rate.
By paying that minimum payment each month, her student loans will be paid off in 20 years. However, if she sends and extra $500 per month toward the principal, her loans will be paid off in just over 10 years. If she can scrape together an extra $700 per month, the loan will be paid off in less than 9 years.
If some of her loans carried a higher interest rate, she could consider asking her father to take out a home equity loan for her. Because he's willing to co-sign on a loan, he's already shown that he's willing to put his credit and cash on the line to help out his daughter. Assuming that he owns his home and has considerable home equity, he could take out a home equity loan with a potentially low interest rate and pay off her student loans. The thing to consider is that home equity loans typically last for 30 years, so this would only be a valuable option for her if she were to 1) pay off the loan early and 2) obtain a lower interest rate than the highest of her student loan rates.
Final conclusion:
My friend is really in no position to purchase a home at this point. Her current student loans really resemble a mortgage. At her current income level, I would expect that she could afford a home worth approximately $140,000 to $180,000 dollars. But because her $140,000 in debt doesn't come with a house, she doesn't have the option to "live in her investment" or rent out a room. I would recommend that she refrain from buying a home until the balances on her student loans are cut down to at least $50,000.
If her student loans each carry different interest rates, she should start by paying down the one with the highest interest rate. Once that's paid off, she should start paying off the next one and the next one and so on. I recommend that she do this methodically and automatically by setting up regular payments with her bank. But she should make sure that the extra payments are going toward principal and not toward next month's payment.
An education is a valuable thing -- and an expensive one, too. Student loans are a part of life for many people, including myself, my wife, and many of our friends. By being smart about paying them down and using all of the resources available to you, you can bring your balance to a big fat zero in no time. Then, you'll be able to start saving that money for your own child's education!
To my reader that called asking for help: feel free to send me an email with the specifics of your loans. I've built some calculators that will help optimize their payoff, ensuring that in the end you're paying as little as possible.
I called her while driving back home from a business trip to talk it over. In this post I'll describe to you some of the specifics of her situation, some options that she was considering, the advice that I gave her, and the numbers that I crunched when I got back home, and my final conclusion.
Specifics:
Current sum of balances: $140,000
Current interest rate: varies; different loans have different rates ranging from 4.5% to 7.5%
Current salary: $60,000
Current credit: So-so, but her father has good credit and is willing to co-sign
Current living expenses: limited, as she is living with her grandmother
Options she was considering:
#1 - Buying a house and consolidating the student loan debt into the mortgage:
Her father suggested doing this, but she wasn't sure about her options. I can't say that this is not necessarily bad advice, but it really isn't an option. Here's why:
Depending on your situation, down payment, and credit score, mortgage lenders may be willing to give you some extra cash to help with certain expenses, like necessary repairs or closing costs. However, they're very careful about not giving you too much money, as they don't want the balance of the mortgage to exceed the value of the home because the home is used as collateral.
Mortgages tend to have lower interest rates than personal loans, credit cards, and student loan consolidations. That's because they present less risk to the lender because the loan is secured with an actual house. If you don't pay your loan back, the bank can seize and sell your home. The same goes for car loans. On the other hand, if you fail to repay your student loan or a personal loan, sure, the bank can destroy your credit, but they're S-O-L when it comes to getting their money back.
If my reader were to roll her student loans in with her mortgage, the balance on the mortgage would be $140,000 more than the cost of the home, less the down payment. So unless she was putting at least $140,000 down on the house, the bank would be "upside down" on her loan -- meaning they were owed a lot more than the collateral was worth. Banks don't like to be upside down, so her request would likely be denied.
On a side note, this type of lending and borrowing was a root cause of the recent economic downturn. People bought homes and assumed that, because of the housing bubble, the value of their homes would skyrocket and they would have incredible amounts of equity. Let's say I bought a house for $200,000 with no down payment. At first glance, I would have zero equity. But if after a couple of months the house was assessed at $300,000, my equity would be $100,000 and my bank would potentially loan me up to that amount in a home equity loan. This happened often and sounded great to everybody. But as home values eventually declined, all of that false equity diminished. All of the sudden, people that exercised these types of loans owed $300,000 on a home that was now only worth $175,000...but I digress.
#2 - Consolidating her private loans
My friend has a combination of federal and private student loans. Her federal loans are already consolidated at 4.5% -- a rate I wouldn't part with for the world. Her private loans (which I assume are the majority, given the high sum of her balances) have interest rates which vary from 6.5 to 7.5 percent.
This morning I looked into the cost of consolidating private loans. Turns out, it's more expensive than I had imagined. According to studentloanconsolidator.com, consolidating your private student loans will give you a variable interest rate from 7.9 to 11.93 percent and smack you with a one-time consolidation fee of 1-5%. I've got to say, that's pretty expensive! Of course, there are other options out there, but the consolidation of private student loans are very very expensive, especially considering my reader's current 6.5 to 7.5 percent interest rate.
The advice that I gave her on the phone:
When we spoke, I was in the car and didn't have time to research the total cost of paying back her loans or her consolidation options. I told her that consolidating her loans with a mortgage were simply not an option because she wouldn't have enough equity in the home. I told her to continue living with her grandmother as long as she could stand it and keep sending extra money to her lenders. I told her to start keeping track of her money -- how much she has, where it goes, etc, by using my favorite site on earth, mint.com. Finally, I told her to save a couple of months' pay in an emergency fund.
The numbers I crunched this morning:
Assuming a $140,000 principal balance, a 20-year payback period (common when it comes to loans), and an average rate of 7%, her regular monthly payments are probably somewhere around $1,085 per month. If I knew what her actual monthly payments were, I could be more certain about her average interest rate.
By paying that minimum payment each month, her student loans will be paid off in 20 years. However, if she sends and extra $500 per month toward the principal, her loans will be paid off in just over 10 years. If she can scrape together an extra $700 per month, the loan will be paid off in less than 9 years.
If some of her loans carried a higher interest rate, she could consider asking her father to take out a home equity loan for her. Because he's willing to co-sign on a loan, he's already shown that he's willing to put his credit and cash on the line to help out his daughter. Assuming that he owns his home and has considerable home equity, he could take out a home equity loan with a potentially low interest rate and pay off her student loans. The thing to consider is that home equity loans typically last for 30 years, so this would only be a valuable option for her if she were to 1) pay off the loan early and 2) obtain a lower interest rate than the highest of her student loan rates.
Final conclusion:
My friend is really in no position to purchase a home at this point. Her current student loans really resemble a mortgage. At her current income level, I would expect that she could afford a home worth approximately $140,000 to $180,000 dollars. But because her $140,000 in debt doesn't come with a house, she doesn't have the option to "live in her investment" or rent out a room. I would recommend that she refrain from buying a home until the balances on her student loans are cut down to at least $50,000.
If her student loans each carry different interest rates, she should start by paying down the one with the highest interest rate. Once that's paid off, she should start paying off the next one and the next one and so on. I recommend that she do this methodically and automatically by setting up regular payments with her bank. But she should make sure that the extra payments are going toward principal and not toward next month's payment.
An education is a valuable thing -- and an expensive one, too. Student loans are a part of life for many people, including myself, my wife, and many of our friends. By being smart about paying them down and using all of the resources available to you, you can bring your balance to a big fat zero in no time. Then, you'll be able to start saving that money for your own child's education!
To my reader that called asking for help: feel free to send me an email with the specifics of your loans. I've built some calculators that will help optimize their payoff, ensuring that in the end you're paying as little as possible.
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7 Comments:
At September 26, 2008 9:53 AM ,
Steve said...
Scott, some time ago while I was looking into buying a house with my brother and my dad, I was talking to you about all the issues involved in joint financial ventures with family and friends.
One thing you suggested to allow my dad to put up down payment money but stay off the mortgage (if he wanted), was for him to loan my brother an I money through Virgin Money (http://www.virginmoneyus.com/). That would circumvent the IRS limit on gift money between family members and protect my dad's money/credit a little.
If your friend's dad is willing to give her a loan on his equity line, would that be an option for them? My understanding is that it would allow her dad to loan her the money in a more formal way, with less risk to his own credit.
Do you think that might be an option? Maybe not since it would be two loans...
Now that I think about it, that might be an option for me to save interest money on my student loans. My interest rate is 6.5% on about $16.5k - maybe I could get a loan from my dad through Virgin Money at like 2-3% to pay off that loan. That way, I can pay off my loan a little quicker, waste less money on interest, and my dad would have a small gain on a safe investment.
Your thoughts?
At September 26, 2008 10:17 AM ,
Scott Bliss said...
@steve
I actually did suggest that to her, but in the interest of keeping my post short, I left that out.
I asked her if she had any relatives that had some money that they could lend her. Her answer was no. I explained why I asked the question, but it really wasn't relevant.
You know, now that I think about it, I could probably do the same thing with one of my relatives. It would be nice to consolidate mine and Michelle's student loans into one single payment to my grandmother, whose retirement isn't growing as much as it could right now...hmmmmmm.
But yes -- borrowing from family is a good option. The only thing is that if you go through a place like Virgin Money, they're going to charge setup fees, etc. So make sure you weigh the costs of doing it.
Much love,
Scott
At September 26, 2008 11:15 AM ,
Steve said...
@ Scott
For a Handshake Basic loan, they charge $100 setup. For that you just get a bunch of legal documents, basically.
For a Handshake Plus Full Service loan, it is $200 plus $9 per payment. With that you get the basic, plus payment processing.
For a Handshake Plus Full Service Security loan, it is $300 plus $9 per payment. That includes the above plus 'increased security for both partners', whatever that means.
So, for example, $16.5k at the AFR of 3.41% over 5 years would cost $1470 in interest + $300 + $9*60 = $2310. At my current rate of 6.5%, I would pay $2870 in interest if I pay it off in the same period. Paying it off at my current contribution, it will take much longer and I will pay about 6k in interest. It looks like I would benefit from doing this, or at least starting to pay my loan off more quickly.
At September 26, 2008 11:22 AM ,
Scott Bliss said...
One more thing to consider is the tax benefits of the loan. Right now, I can write off my interest payments on my student loans. I wonder if that would change if she loaned me the money.
If I can't write those off on my taxes, I could suffer a financial consequence that might outweigh the interest savings. Also, by my grandma lending to me, she'll have to pay taxes on the interest that she EARNS from me. If she were to keep the money in a Roth IRA, she wouldn't have to pay taxes on her earnings (though she sure ain't getting much of a return THERE!).
So if I don't get to write off the $17,000 in interest that I'd pay her over ten years for both mine and my wife's loans(yeah, I know that's a lot) and she would have to PAY taxes on it, it might change the equation.
I'll have to look into it and see if I could still write it off....
At September 26, 2008 11:36 AM ,
Steve said...
Good point, I didn't think about the tax write off. I make enough that I can only write off 50% of my interest paid - I think you're in the same boat unless being married changes that.
At September 26, 2008 11:40 AM ,
Scott Bliss said...
Ahh --- I just looked it up.
According to the IRS you can only write off the interest if the loan was from someone NOT related to you.
So if I want to borrow money from my Grandma, I'll need to see if it makes sense to do it. I realized that if she loaned us the money at 5%, I would save $5,356 in interest. According to my calculations, if I were to pay the full amount to the bank, I would receive $5,532 in tax savings over ten years assuming a 28% tax bracket.
The lowest interest that she could legally charge me (without it counting as a gift) would be 4.58% (according to the IRS).
Hmmmmmmm. For me, it really doesn't make a lot of sense to borrow it from her. She, on the other hand, would earn the money, but pay taxes on it.
Let's say she loaned me the money at 5%. Over ten years, she would earn $14,402 in interest. Assuming a 28% tax bracket, her tax liability would increase $4,032, leaving her with $10,369 post-tax dollars.
So if she wanted to earn that kind of money tax free, if she invested the same amount of money that she loaned me into her Roth IRA, the IRA would need to earn 14.9% interest compounded annually for ten years.
So this would be a better deal for her than me!
At September 26, 2008 11:59 AM ,
Scott Bliss said...
You know what would make more sense? My grandma could loan me money for my CAR loan at a rate that's less than what I'm paying on my mortgage and our student loans. Both my mortgage and my student loans are tax deductible, but my car is not.
If I was able to reduce my car loan to a smaller amount, I would a) have the title in-hand (thereby lowering my insurance premiums) and b) be able to focus my extra principal payments toward my student loans. Yes, they're tax deductible, but because they're about 3.5 times more than my car loan, I would still be paying interest every year until they're paid off.
That way my grandma still gets the great interest rate, I get the interest savings, and I keep the tax benefits of my student loans.
Neat idea if you ask me!
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