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Friday, October 17, 2008

Is Prosper.com dead? And what is a secondary market?

Anyone who borrows, lends, or regularly browses Prosper.com received an email from the site's management team about suspending lending activity for a while while they develop a secondary market. So what does that mean? Will we ever be able to lend or borrow again? And what on earth is a secondary market?

First of all, don't worry. Prosper.com is not dead nor will it be dead anytime soon. They're simply listening to users that write about the pros and cons of peer-to-peer lending (like me). Until recently, Prosper.com has been a very small fish in the big pond of lending. Now, they're growing to a slightly larger, more mature fish; they just need to pull the curtain for a few months while they renovate.

If you read any post on just about and blog that writes about Prosper, you'll notice that one downside for lenders is that any money that they invest is money with which they part until the loan is repaid. For example, if you lend $100 at 25% to someone, you will get approximately four dollars per month for 36 months. And if you all of the sudden you need emergency orthodontic surgery and absolutely had to have back that $100 that you lent, there would be no way for you to get it faster than waiting for the $4 monthly payments to add up.

But let's say you had a really good friend named Steve that noticed you were in a pinch. Steve sees that you lent out this money a few months ago but need it back today. Seeing that the lender still owes you about $120 over the next two and a half years, he offers to give you $100 today if you agree to give him the remainder of your $4 monthly deposits. You benefit by cashing out when you needed to and Steve benefits by taking control over a reasonably profitable investment ($20 in this case) .

But let's say that my other friend, Dave, also sees my predicament. He wants in on the investment, so he says that he'll give me $105 for the remainder of my payments. Sure, he'll make a little less profit than Steve, but he likes the idea of making $15 profit on his $105 investment. Steve isn't willing to pay more than that, so Dave ends up "winning" your loan.

Essentially, the offers of Steve and Dave to purchase of your stake in the loan represent a secondary market. A secondary market is a place where investors can bid on securities -- including bonds, stocks, and in this case, loans -- after initial public offerings have already been made. In the case of Prosper.com, the initial public offering was the original loan listing.

After you bid on a loan and give some money to another person as an investment, a number of things can affect the value of that investment. Let's say that statistics show that borrowers that make their first 10 payments on time are 50% less likely to default than people who have only made their first five payment on time. Therefore, anyone holding a loan to a borrower that has made 10 payments on-time could sell those loans for a higher premium on the secondary market. Or if you're an secondary market investor, you could buy up a bunch of loans that are currently late for pennies on the dollar. The original lenders are happy because they're able to get some money back, but you'll clean up if you can convince the delinquent borrowers to pay up.

The secondary market is a key part of our economy. Without it, stockbrokers on Wall Street would have pretty boring jobs. Without a secondary market, our investments in stocks and bonds would have very little liquidity. If we invested in stocks, we would only be able to cash out when the company agreed to buy that stock back from us. Or if we wanted to get our money out of a 30-year bond, we would have to wait the full 30 years.

Prosper.com wants to create a regulated, large-scale secondary market for their loans. To do this legally, they need to file with the Securities Exchange Commission, which takes time. But after the filing is complete, more people will be encouraged to lend because they won't have as much of a risk of having little liquidity. Basically, current lenders who run into financial troubles of their own will no longer risk not being able to get at least some of their money back. The secondary market will positively affect borrowers, too, who can expect to get lower rates on loans, as the risk to original lenders losing all their money is reduced; lenders whose borrowers are late will be able to sell the loans. And because their liquidity is increased, lenders will more likely invest more money.

Let's just hope that Freddie Mac doesn't start buying up loans made to High Risk borrowers, packaging them together, and selling stock in their "High Risk" fund. As our recent economic troubles showed us, that's just asking for trouble.

Will Prosper.com's development of a secondary market encourage you to start lending?

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5 Comments:

  • At October 17, 2008 3:52 PM , Blogger Steve said...

    I agree that this could help Prosper grow, and as a lender, I'm glad that my loans will be more liquid in case of an emergency.

    However, one of the biggest draws of Prosper, at least for me, is the transparency. I'll be very interested to see how transparent the secondary market is and how simple they can keep it.

    If this is implemented in a good way, and transparency is preserved to a good degree, this might be great. However, I am wary of how easy it might be to lose sight of the actual value of the loans after re-packaging. As you mentioned, we're seeing the pitfalls of re-packaging debt to the point that no one has any idea what it is actually worth. I don't think that will happen with a Prosper secondary market, at least not right away.

    In any case, it will be interesting to see what the site is like in a few months, and how the volume changes.

    Steve
    stevescookingjournal.blogspot.com

     
  • At October 17, 2008 3:56 PM , Blogger Steve said...

    Also, I think it is important to note that this is all unsecured debt - there is no house, car, etc. backing up the value of the loans. I think that makes it much more likely that repackaged debt will be next to worthless. But, like I said, I think it will be all in the implementation. I would probably be likely to buy into repackaged low-risk loans, say A or B credit ratings with less than 10% DTI.

    We'll see....
    Steve

     
  • At November 8, 2008 11:21 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I have no idea as to what all this means, but I hope Prasper does not go down the tuke. I still have 64 loans and most are good, but three hav bit the dust. I have noticed that the 25,000 thousand borrowers are the ones that default most, so stay with those modest borrowers.oreven

     
  • At November 19, 2008 10:33 AM , Anonymous elroyskimms said...

    You write, "The original lenders are happy because they're able to get some money back, but you'll clean up if you can convince the delinquent borrowers to pay up."

    Although this would be true in the traditional roles of Lenders and Borrowers, this doesn't apply at Prosper. You see, Prosper forbids you as a Lender to make any attempt to contact the borrower with regards to debt collection. You are at the mercy of their collections agency, whose performance record is abysmal at best.

    That being said, Prosper has a history of selling defaulted loans for a PENNY (not pennies) on the dollar in their junk debt sales, and for refusing significantly larger offers for the bad debt. You would be better served as a Lender to sell your debt on the secondary market for $0.02/dollar, but as a buyer on the secondary market, you'd be a fool to make such an offer.

    The only benefit of the secondary market as I see it, is to allow people to sell their performing loans (as few as that may be) and get as much money out as possible. Sadly, I don't think Prosper will be around to reach the term on all of the money I lent. If I can get 80% of my investment back on my performing loans, I will jump at the chance. If I'm wrong and Prosper lives long and... prospers (sorry, couldn't resist), then the borrower of my performing loans will make 20% + the interest on the loans, which sits somewhere around 14%. Kudos to them on their 34% gain. I would feel safer with my cash in an FDIC insured CD than lent out to some of the frauds and deadbeats that Prosper has refused to screen from their pool of borrowers.

    -E

    PS - The link is to my Prosper lender profile. You can see I have more than a few thousand dollars in loans made in dozens of loans with more than a year on the site.

    http://www.ericscc.com/lenders/elroyskimms

     
  • At November 19, 2008 10:41 AM , Blogger Scott Bliss said...

    @elroyskimms

    Thanks so much for the comment. I absolutely agree with you on two things: 1)It stinks that you get such a low return for accounts sold to collection and 2) there are an incredible amount of deadbeats on prosper.

    I think that there is a reason that most legitimate professional lenders (banks, credit cards, etc) don't ask for a photo -- it doesn't mean ANYTHING and it's simply deceiving. In the end, it all comes down to credit score, delinquencies, etc. A lot of smooth talkers have poor credit.

    Regarding your first comment -- yes, you're right. We cannot contact the borrowers. I should correct my post to say "if the borrowers end up paying, the purchaser of the secondary loan will clean up."

    One fact that startled me when I was looking at their data is this: about HALF of people with no credit (NC rating) will default over the life of the loan. So if you don't get more than a 50% return on your money, it's simply not worth it. I think that's the biggest reason I'm not lending any money on the site.

    Best of luck to you getting your $$ back.

    Thanks for reading.
    - Scott -

     

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