What if You're Upside Down on Your Mortgage and Need to Move?
In my previous post about being upside down on a mortgage, I said that you're probably not going to be able to move anytime soon. Well, what happens if you're upside down and need to move? You have options, but none of them are magical or ideal. This post will describe a few of them: borrowing money to make up the difference, negotiating a short sale, and foreclosing.
Two big variables that will greatly affect your situation are 1) the amount you are upside-down and 2) the degree to which you can afford to keep paying your mortgage. If you are upside down $50,000 versus $5,000, you're in a much more difficult situation. Likewise, if you're able to keep making your mortgage payments until you figure out a long-term solution, you're in a much better position than someone who is unable to make his or her payments. If you can't make your payments now, consider renting out the home after you move or drastically changing your current budget to make ends meet. When you move, rent a small inexpensive place. If your kids are in college, consider asking them to take time off or to absorb some of the costs themselves. Major lifestyle changes are difficult, but the effects of a foreclosure or a short sale can be detrimental; all efforts should be exhausted to ensure that neither of those two occur.
If you are upside down on your mortgage and are put in a position where you need to move -- whether it's because of a job transfer or an unexpected layoff -- the most ideal option is to keep your home until you are no longer upside down. This can be achieved by saving money to match your negative equity or waiting for the market to pick up. Three alternatives are described below in order from best to worst as they relate to your overall financial (and emotional) wellbeing.
Option 1: Borrowing the money
This is an option as long as you're slightly upside down and not really upside down. If your negative equity is no more than $10,000, you're not in such a tough place. By borrowing money to get out of the pinch, you're protecting your credit score from getting hit by a train and ensuring that you'll be able to get another loan sometime in your lifetime.
The best place to get a loan for $10,000 or less would be from a friend or family member. But if you borrow money from someone, they'll need to charge you interest (at least 4.52%) in order for the IRS not to consider it a gift. A person is allowed give gifts to another up to $12,000 per year.
If you're fresh out of rich relatives, there are other places to look. If you, your child, or your spouse is enrolled in college, you may be eligible to take out an additional student loan. The federal government will allow students and parents to borrow money in excess of actual tuition and fees to cover living expenses. It would not be uncommon for students and parents to be able to borrow an extra $7,000 or $8,000 per semester which is available in cash. These loans have a relatively low interest rate (between 6% and 8%), are repayable over a long period of time, and their interest is generally tax deductible.
I hate to say it, but if you're unable to get a favorable loan from a family member or the government, you may have to resort to using a credit card convenience check or obtaining a high-interest personal loan. I'm not usually a proponent of putting things on your credit card that you can't pay off immediately. But in this case, when a foreclosure or a short sale are your only other options, the convenience check is the lesser of two evils. I'd rather see you incur five or ten thousand dollars of credit card debt if it means you'll avoid a foreclosure or a short sale.
Option 2: Negotiating a short sale
Short selling is when you negotiate with the mortgage lender to accept a fair market price for the home instead of the amount that you actually owe. This is more likely to be accepted when home values in a certain area have dropped significantly. Though mortgage lenders are not required to modify your agreement and accept less than you owe, they may be willing to because it may prevent a foreclosure, which is very expensive for a bank. Basically, they would rather forgive $10,000 on your loan than incur $70,000 in costs associated with a foreclosure.
Short selling is similar to foreclosing, but it will ultimately cost the bank less money and permit you to buy another home a bit sooner. It is preferable to a foreclosure, but is only offered by some lenders to some borrowers, depending on the circumstances. I had to do a bit of research to confirm this, but short-selling on your home will cause as much immediate detriment to your credit score as a foreclosure.
Expect your FICO score to drop 200 or 300 points. Your new score will most likely preclude you from qualifying for a rental lease without a cosigner. However, with two years of good credit history following a short sale, you will probably be able to obtain a mortgage through special government-sponsored programs. If you had foreclosed, you most likely would be unable to qualify for another mortgage for at least four years.
If you want to short sell your home, two things need to happen. 1) The mortgage lender has to be willing (it helps to have a lawyer assist with the negotiations) and 2) you need to prove your insolvency. Basically, you need to show that you have no money that can be freed up to pay for the difference between what you owe and what the house is worth. If you have equity in another property, a car that is paid off, or a student enrolled in college, the bank will see these things and ask why you're not dipping into your other equity, selling the car, or taking your kid out of college to pay what you has originally agreed. Essentially, before the bank concedes a short sale, they will need to be assured that foreclosure is the only other option because you have no other means to repay the loan.
Option 3: Foreclosure
This is clearly the worst thing for everyone. Your credit score will be destroyed and its affects will be long lasting. You will be unlikely to receive any other type of loan for a few years. The only good news is that no negative item - including a foreclosure - can stay on your credit report for more than seven years.
Being upside down on a house is a tricky situation -- especially for those that need to move. If you're upside on the mortgage for your current residence, save as much as you can so you can eventually bring get rid of the negative equity. If you need to move, do whatever you can to keep the home until house values go back up. If you cannot keep the home, try to borrow money from a friend or from the Department of Education. Remember that it's better to put an extra five or ten thousand dollars on a credit card than go through a short sale or foreclosure. If you're unable to obtain the cash to get out of the red, try to negotiate a short sale. It's effects on your credit are detrimental, but not as long-lasting as a foreclosure. If your lender is unwilling to engage in a short sale, then foreclosure may be your only option.
Two big variables that will greatly affect your situation are 1) the amount you are upside-down and 2) the degree to which you can afford to keep paying your mortgage. If you are upside down $50,000 versus $5,000, you're in a much more difficult situation. Likewise, if you're able to keep making your mortgage payments until you figure out a long-term solution, you're in a much better position than someone who is unable to make his or her payments. If you can't make your payments now, consider renting out the home after you move or drastically changing your current budget to make ends meet. When you move, rent a small inexpensive place. If your kids are in college, consider asking them to take time off or to absorb some of the costs themselves. Major lifestyle changes are difficult, but the effects of a foreclosure or a short sale can be detrimental; all efforts should be exhausted to ensure that neither of those two occur.
If you are upside down on your mortgage and are put in a position where you need to move -- whether it's because of a job transfer or an unexpected layoff -- the most ideal option is to keep your home until you are no longer upside down. This can be achieved by saving money to match your negative equity or waiting for the market to pick up. Three alternatives are described below in order from best to worst as they relate to your overall financial (and emotional) wellbeing.
Option 1: Borrowing the money
This is an option as long as you're slightly upside down and not really upside down. If your negative equity is no more than $10,000, you're not in such a tough place. By borrowing money to get out of the pinch, you're protecting your credit score from getting hit by a train and ensuring that you'll be able to get another loan sometime in your lifetime.
The best place to get a loan for $10,000 or less would be from a friend or family member. But if you borrow money from someone, they'll need to charge you interest (at least 4.52%) in order for the IRS not to consider it a gift. A person is allowed give gifts to another up to $12,000 per year.
If you're fresh out of rich relatives, there are other places to look. If you, your child, or your spouse is enrolled in college, you may be eligible to take out an additional student loan. The federal government will allow students and parents to borrow money in excess of actual tuition and fees to cover living expenses. It would not be uncommon for students and parents to be able to borrow an extra $7,000 or $8,000 per semester which is available in cash. These loans have a relatively low interest rate (between 6% and 8%), are repayable over a long period of time, and their interest is generally tax deductible.
I hate to say it, but if you're unable to get a favorable loan from a family member or the government, you may have to resort to using a credit card convenience check or obtaining a high-interest personal loan. I'm not usually a proponent of putting things on your credit card that you can't pay off immediately. But in this case, when a foreclosure or a short sale are your only other options, the convenience check is the lesser of two evils. I'd rather see you incur five or ten thousand dollars of credit card debt if it means you'll avoid a foreclosure or a short sale.
Option 2: Negotiating a short sale
Short selling is when you negotiate with the mortgage lender to accept a fair market price for the home instead of the amount that you actually owe. This is more likely to be accepted when home values in a certain area have dropped significantly. Though mortgage lenders are not required to modify your agreement and accept less than you owe, they may be willing to because it may prevent a foreclosure, which is very expensive for a bank. Basically, they would rather forgive $10,000 on your loan than incur $70,000 in costs associated with a foreclosure.
Short selling is similar to foreclosing, but it will ultimately cost the bank less money and permit you to buy another home a bit sooner. It is preferable to a foreclosure, but is only offered by some lenders to some borrowers, depending on the circumstances. I had to do a bit of research to confirm this, but short-selling on your home will cause as much immediate detriment to your credit score as a foreclosure.
Expect your FICO score to drop 200 or 300 points. Your new score will most likely preclude you from qualifying for a rental lease without a cosigner. However, with two years of good credit history following a short sale, you will probably be able to obtain a mortgage through special government-sponsored programs. If you had foreclosed, you most likely would be unable to qualify for another mortgage for at least four years.
If you want to short sell your home, two things need to happen. 1) The mortgage lender has to be willing (it helps to have a lawyer assist with the negotiations) and 2) you need to prove your insolvency. Basically, you need to show that you have no money that can be freed up to pay for the difference between what you owe and what the house is worth. If you have equity in another property, a car that is paid off, or a student enrolled in college, the bank will see these things and ask why you're not dipping into your other equity, selling the car, or taking your kid out of college to pay what you has originally agreed. Essentially, before the bank concedes a short sale, they will need to be assured that foreclosure is the only other option because you have no other means to repay the loan.
Option 3: Foreclosure
This is clearly the worst thing for everyone. Your credit score will be destroyed and its affects will be long lasting. You will be unlikely to receive any other type of loan for a few years. The only good news is that no negative item - including a foreclosure - can stay on your credit report for more than seven years.
Being upside down on a house is a tricky situation -- especially for those that need to move. If you're upside on the mortgage for your current residence, save as much as you can so you can eventually bring get rid of the negative equity. If you need to move, do whatever you can to keep the home until house values go back up. If you cannot keep the home, try to borrow money from a friend or from the Department of Education. Remember that it's better to put an extra five or ten thousand dollars on a credit card than go through a short sale or foreclosure. If you're unable to obtain the cash to get out of the red, try to negotiate a short sale. It's effects on your credit are detrimental, but not as long-lasting as a foreclosure. If your lender is unwilling to engage in a short sale, then foreclosure may be your only option.
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10 Comments:
At October 27, 2008 10:37 AM ,
Brian Guppy said...
You didn't mention what we did: rent the place out. Despite the abysmal market, finding a renter was easy and we're covering our mortgage / home equity expenses even after the property manager takes his cut.
At October 27, 2008 11:21 AM ,
Scott Bliss said...
@brian guppy
Thanks for the comment. Check out the 2nd paragraph of the article:
"If you can't make your payments now, consider renting out the home after you move or drastically changing your current budget to make ends meet."
I'm glad to hear that your house is in a strong rental market. That's really got to take the load off!
At October 29, 2008 8:07 PM ,
Anonymous said...
What were my options if our house is closer to 87,000 upside down vice 8,700? Our townhouse has no hope of regaining the 87,000 dollars even if I plated it with gold. The neighborhood is on life-support and it wasn't that great to begin with...
At October 29, 2008 8:54 PM ,
Scott Bliss said...
@anonymous
When you're upside down $87k, there's no easy advice. Unless you are able to come up with $87k, you're going to have to hang onto the house until the market improves.
If you NEED to move, first, I'd see what your rental options are. Even if you can't rent it out for a price that can cover your mortgage, it's better than having it sit unoccupied.
If you can't find a tenant, I would seriously evaluate your decision to move. Unless you're moving to take a job that will give you a significant increase in pay, it won't make financial sense to keep paying a high mortgage payment on this house and renting in your new city. If you're moving for something other than a job and don't expect a significant pay increase, prepare yourself for tough times.
If you're moving, I'd rather see you hang on to the house than negotiate a short sale or accept a foreclosure. If you're moving, rent it out and take whatever you can for it. The home's value will eventually begin to grow. And you should save whatever you are able in a savings account to build up your cash. Eventually, you'll get to a point where the house has appreciated enough and you'll have saved enough to be able to sell the house and be rid of it.
To summarize, all you can do is either 1) come up with the $87,000 plus agent fees, 2) save as much as you can and wait for the house to eventually appreciate (because it will) until you have enough to get out, or 3) arrange for a short sale or a foreclosure. But remember: option #3 will destroy your credit for several years, but no more than seven.
Best of luck to you. I'd like to hear more about what you decide to do. Be patient, and hang in there!
At October 30, 2008 7:56 PM ,
Anonymous said...
Pretty much, I was going to do what you suggested. We have kind of outgrown this house, and the neighborhood is falling apart. But the bottom-line is we don't HAVE to move. My concern is that recent news reports have suggested there is no way our home will recover the value that it once had in the next 10-15 years because the market was so artificially elevated. It is a little disheartening, but your solution is the only logical one.
At October 30, 2008 8:18 PM ,
Scott Bliss said...
@anonymous
You know, there's something else you can consider, too. Once a new president comes into office, they might try and come up with a plan to help out people just like you.
Check out this article. Some pretty smart people are proposing ideas where banks might forgive a portion of your loan, and in return, they would receive some of your gains if you sold the house.
Right now, you and I are looking at this from a purely logical/financial standpoint. It will be interesting to see how McCain or Obama might change the equation.
I'd really like for you to keep in touch and let me know how this works out for you.
Best regards,
Scott
At November 11, 2008 6:28 PM ,
Anonymous said...
Bush Administration just unveiled their help plan: http://money.cnn.com/2008/11/11/news/economy/loan_modification/index.htm?cnn=yes
Not exactly, a lot of help for me. Mr. Obama has a 100 days, then I will threaten my mortgage company, I think. That is my working-plan, anyway.
At November 20, 2008 11:38 PM ,
Mike said...
I am upside down about $350000 out of $680000, and I cannot afford to stop the negam on my Coutrywide note. Oakland had been devastated by the market and I need to move out ASAP.... If I foreclose, won't I be responsible for the loss that the lender takes in the future? Should I stop working(I have a good income)? Should I stop paying(I have read that I won't get any help unless I am over 60 days late)? Can I ditch the house/note with Bankruptcy? If I go bankrupt, how much will my credit drop? I am at the end of my rope and as my area gets worse and worse I can no longer stay in this area (murders and burglary are way up) with my wife and baby.
At November 21, 2008 6:44 AM ,
Scott Bliss said...
@Mike
Thanks for the comment.
Let me respond to a few of your items, one-by-one.
First let me say that I'm sorry you and your family are having difficulties during these trying times. And I'm sorry to hear that you are seeing elevated levels of crime in your neighborhood...that adds a completely new level of complexity to your situation.
If you are able to make your payments, you're in a much better position than those that have lost their jobs and cannot. If you can technically afford to make your payments, do so.
I'm glad you asked me questions about whether you should stop working or paying your mortgage so you could get some help. Those are very reasonable questions given the details of the federal aid plans that have been tossed around lately. The plan tends to reward NOT paying, which is why it is so highly criticized (and therefore, has not yet passed). I tend to be weary of these sort of programs that tend to be counter-intuitive (rewarding those that don't pay vs those that do). I strongly believe that any relief that IS passed will put those who are in trouble -- but still have paid -- first in line for help.
If you negotiate a short sale with your lender, the bank will sell your house for the current market value and forgive the difference. Basically, if you owe $600,000 and they sell it for $400,000, they will "forgive" $200,000 of your debt. The only things to be careful about are these: 1) You might have to pay taxes on that $200,000 because the IRS views that as income and 2)A short sale will harm your credit to the point where you may not be able to buy another house for a couple of years.
A foreclosure is basically a short sale, but without any negotiation with the bank. No, you won't be responsible to make up the difference, but your credit will be destroyed for a few years, but no more than seven.
Regarding bankruptcy, I can say that, like a foreclosure, it will destroy your credit for several years. However, I don't know if it would be a good idea for you unless you've got other looming debts that you're having a difficult time paying. But I don't know enough about bankruptcy to say whether it's better than a foreclosure.
Lastly, I'll go down a route that I haven't gone down before on my site. If you're living in a high-crime area, I honestly recommend keeping a firearm in the home -- loaded or unloaded. You can purchase a used pump-action shotgun (you know -- the kind you cock?) for about $150. Even if it's not loaded -- nothing says "stay away from my family" like a 12-gauge.
Mike, thanks for your comments. I'm sorry I don't have a simple solution for you. Right now, all you can do is keep paying your mortgage -- I promise, any federal relief programs, when they are approved, will probably reward you before the guy that didn't pay his debt. If you need to move, do all that you can to rent out the home (even if it's for less than your mortgage payment). If you won't be able to make ends meet, then try and negotiate a short sale. But before you negotiate anything or stop making your payments, be sure to get into your new home (probably a rental) before a foreclosure or short-sale kicks in. Those will destroy your credit to the point where even getting approved for a rental will be difficult.
Chin up -- And best of luck.
Scott
At January 15, 2009 12:48 AM ,
meka said...
I live in house in a small town and I paid 470K for my home and now the home is worth 200K. A relator I spoke to said in the last 15 years home prices never reached more then 350K until the sub prime lending boom in 2005-2007. I'm trying to decide if I should get rid of the home and start over. i can save 15k per year renting. I can rent for 5 years and buy again then. i need advise on if this is a smart thing to do. lastly my loan was sold to an investment firm that wants to sell the home then see me keep it. There business practices are rather fishy, for they never provide me with a balance on my statement even after verbal and written requests were made. they have really srange business practices and I'm not sure I want to do business with them. i think they are predators
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